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It seems to me there was enough marine traffic that somebody would have seen it, and given that Egypt says their military received a distress signal from the plane two hours after loss of radar contact, it would seem to make molecular dissociation a less viable explanation... however... we are talkin' the Egyptian military and it was only one signal. So if we're thinking it was an automatic signal beacon from the plane, there should have been more.
There is some confusion over this new distress signal, reported to have been received at 04.26 local time (02.26 GMT).I'm following the live updates from RT and the Guardian... with occasional dips into the bowels of twitface to see if there's anything worthy popping up. There was only the one bit and lort only knows how reliable it is.
This is two hours after the last confirmed contact via radar, which was at 02.30 local time (00.30 GMT).
But it is possible that the later signal, which has been described in some reports as a distress call, could have been an automated distress signal from an emergency locator beacon.
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I am listening to RT live and there are unconfirmed reports of a fireball in the sky, so probably that marine traffic map could explain it.
Reuters cited a Greek defence ministry source who said authorities were investigating reports from the captain of a merchant ship of “a flame in the sky” around 130 nautical miles south of the Greek island of Karpathos.The part about the distress signal is getting all bolloxed up by GMT and local time and purported source [Egypt military now denying it] in receipt of said signal. I'm almost done believing it happened at all.
Confusingly, a statement posted on the official Facebook page of the Egyptian army says the army did not receive a distress signal from the plane.RT seems to be getting at the truth faster and the Guardian seems to state it in a more appealing to the Western ear way.
It is not clear whether this contradicts the EgyptAir report that a signal was received from the plane’s emergency devices – presumed to be a locator transmitter or beacon – at 04.26 local time (02.26 GMT), two hours after the last radar contact. It could refer to the previous statement by EgyptAir that no distress call was received from the cockpit.
In the army statement, the spokesman of the Egyptian army, Brigadier General Mohammed Samir, said the army had not received any distress call from the missing plane.
So, 9:30am Cairo time, seven hours after lost flight, dissociation of molecules still ranks equal with turrurrism as projected cause of disappeared Airbus.
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Waters grow murkier... so to speak...
07:54 GMTAm I getting used to this or am I psychic while everyone else is in bed?
Greek media reports of a flash seen over the Mediterranean, reportedly spotted by a civilian boat, could not be verified, Greek broadcaster ERD said.
07:44 GMT
A terrorist attack is not ruled out as a possible cause of the EgyptAir flight MS804’s disappearance, Egyptian Prime Minister Sherif Ismail said at a media conference in Cairo. He warned that there was not enough information to substantiate any scenario at the moment.
"Search operations are ongoing at this time for the airplane in the area where it is believed to have lost contact," he said.
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The report of the flash seems still to be taken seriously by AFP, and this could still be just the same unconfirmed reports as earlier, but boats in the area do seem to be converging on that spot.
It's been eight hours since the lost contact and no terrorist group has claimed responsibility. RT is talking about how ISIS has said in the past it wants to create a climate of fear around people flying to some sporting event in France, but what I've been wondering since hearing of this why the fuck anybody bothers to mention ISIS when everybody knows ISIS is owned and operated by high ranking psychopaths in the United States.
And, yes, I mean the same psychopaths who appear to be capable of making molecules dissociate when it suits them.
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Nine hours post-disappearance, more boats, some airplanes and helicopters have joined the search. Nothing reporting anything found, but talk of the merchant ship captain's report of seeing a fireball 130 nautical miles south of Karpathos persists and seems to coincide with the place the plane went off radar and RT Live is now showing video Greek islanders took purporting to be that fireball.
I'm trying to semi-document this action because the official story on these types of things tends to diverge somewhat outrageously from the earliest reports. I think we're getting into the zone where the officials really start mucking it up, and can probably try bed now, but, well, we'll see....
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12:07 GMTSo even before a shard of debris has been found, it's official: the people of France can just eat it. Never let a good disaster go to waste....
France's lower house of parliament has definitively approved a two-month extension of the state of emergency that was declared after the deadly November 13 attacks in Paris.
The measure is aimed at covering the June 10-July 10 European Championship soccer tournament and the July 2-July 24 Tour de France. It expands police powers to put people under house arrest and allows authorities to forbid the movement of people and vehicles at specific times and places.
Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve justified the measure by the "unprecedented context of terrorist risk." (AP)
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HERE'S THE VIDEO FROM KARPATHOS.
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Twelve hours post disappearance:
Greek state-run TV is confirming that debris from the missing EgyptAir plane has been found 230 nautical miles west of the Mediterranean island of Crete, writes Helena Smith.If that video was of the plane they're full of shit about an explosive or suicide bomber... of course, that video might have been a missile that didn't hit anything. It was from someone's phone and at night, so... so, fuck you, it wasn't an exploded plane.
Officials are expressing alarm and surprise that the wreckage -as yet officially unidentified - has been sited so far away from the site where the Airbus is believed to have come down, more than 100 nautical miles away off the southeastern island of Karpathos.
Winds in the area are southerly and would not precipitate such movement. The debris was identified by an Egyptian C-295 aircraft. Greek media is reporting that the debris could be life jackets.
Earlier Greece’s civil aviation authority issued a statement saying that the pilot of the fated EgyptAir plane was “in good spirits” when the country’s air traffic controllers made contact with crew.
At 02.48 AM, just before MS804 exited Greek airspace. “The pilot was in good spirits and thanked [us] in Greek,” the civil aviation authority said.
At 03:27 despite “repeated” efforts to make contact with crew again, “the pilot did not answer,” the authority added.
“At 03:29 the plane’s signal vanished from the radar approximately 7 nautical miles south/southeast of the point of Kumbi, in Cairo FIR,” the statement said.
Greek sources have told the Guardian that the possibility of a suicide bomber or explosive being the cuase of the crash “is very real.” Greece has mounted a search and rescue operation off the southeastern Aegean island of Karpathos where the Airbus is believed to come down.
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13:30 GMTThey were threatened? And we don't get told for twelve hours? The passengers weren't told?
The crew of the missing flight were threatened days before the incident, claims Sharif Mehera, a former EgyptAir pilot, who describes himself as a close friend of the captain of the Airbus A320 that disappeared.
He told [Russian Language] LifeNews that someone wrote a menacing message on the hull of one of the planes.
The message was in Arabic, and read: “the next murder will be the flight number SU-GCC,” Mehera said, adding that it was exactly the flight number of the missing plane and that all security services were aware of this incident.
13:25 GMT
A Greek frigate taking part in the search for the missing flight discovered two large pieces of plastic in white and red floating in the sea 230 miles (370km) south of the Greek island of Crete. They were found close to the area where a transponder signal was emitted earlier, Reuters reports, citing Greek defense sources. Greek state TV ERT reported similar information, saying that two “orange-coloured” objects were located in the same area and that they are debris from the missing plane.
WTF?
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Possibly a false alarm about the debris west of Crete.
Signs of possible wreckage were found off the Greek island of Crete, a Greek military spokesman told AFP.They'll check.
“There have been finds southeast of Crete, inside the Cairo flight information area,” general staff spokesman Vassilis Beletsiotis said. He added that an Egyptian C-130 plane had spotted the floating objects, and ships would be sent to investigate.
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A much-needed correction:
A Greek military official has said an Egyptian search plane located two orange objects believed to be from the missing flight, AP reports.This begins to make a drap more sense. [approximate position of debris]
The official says the items were found 230 miles south-southeast of the island of Crete but still within the Egyptian air traffic control area.
One of the items was oblong, said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity in accordance with regulations.
The fucking typos and brainos over the length of these live feeds have been springing up with stultifying regularity. Time zone confusions proliferating; sounds-similar-but-means-completely-other-than-appropriate words; and falling out of sync with what is unconfirmed, untrue, confirmed and why, not even just among the various live feeds, but each internally inconsistent. Again, RT is doing the better job with the facts... or factiness.
But this correction brings it more into alignment with other reports.
However, I'm a little worried about Russia's eagerness:
The head of Russia’s domestic intelligence agency has said he believes the plane was brought down by a terror attack “in all likelihood”.Could that be more about trying to rally Western Europe toward lucid relations than about this "monstrous attack"? Or do they know perfectly well who did it and want that exposed?
Alexander Bortnikov, head of the Federal Security Service, called for governments to come together to track down those responsible for the “monstrous attack.”
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Okay. I'll say it. Are you noticing the countries to the east of that flight path? Turkey. Cyprus. Syria. Lebanon. Israel. And you saw all those ships, some equipped with SAMs, I'm sure.
Given all the givens, here, it is radically more likely the plane was shot down... by a provocateur kind of terrorist... and that would be why Russia is making very bold to get to the bottom of this in a brotherly fashion.
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EgyptAir has tweeted search teams near the island of Karpathos have found apparent airplane parts, including floating materials likely to be wreckage, life jackets and plastic materials.That's so not 230 nautical miles SSE from Crete.
The wording from the airliner’s Twitter account is cautious, but complements reports on debris from Reuters and CNN.
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EgyptAir resource stated that the Egyptian Ministry of Civil Aviation has just received an official letter from the Egyptian Ministry of Foreign Affairs that confirms the finding of wreckage of the missing aircraft No. MS 804 near Karpathos Island.
EgyptAir sincerely conveys its deepest sorrow to the families and friends of the passengers onboard Flight MS804. Family members of passengers and crew have been already informed and we extend our deepest sympathies to those affected.
Meanwhile, the Egyptian Investigation Team in co-operation with the Greek counterpart are still searching for other remains of the missing plane.
CNN is saying "bomb"... foreign sources aren't.
always and any time....
