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I have forced myself to listen to a number of people on this topic, and not a one of them would get on the real topic. Just every last one of them using it on their sales pitch hobbyhorses. Utterly pathetic. Assholes spewing nonsense to garner eyeprints or subscriptions or whatever it is pays people to crank out their own mental conditioning instead of worthy discussion. Stultifying.
pipe up any time....
